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PostSubject: Re: new hotel at hampton court means loss of fishing   Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:49 pm

Interesting developing story..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-16720685

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PostSubject: new hotel at hampton court means loss of fishing   Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:03 pm

If they need volunteers for this work, i think we should be in the frame, this is quite high profile.
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PostSubject: Re: new hotel at hampton court means loss of fishing   Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:08 pm

From save HRC

Palace makeover offer accepted by Gladedale.


At long last, some excellent news for the 'Jolly Boatman'.

HCRC is very pleased to report that Gladedale, the owner/developer of the 'Jolly Boatman', has accepted the offer made by Historic Royal Palaces to landscape the site in preparation for the long list of prestigious 2012 events. This decision will be enthusiastically welcomed by residents from all across our Borough, not to mention the anticipated thousands of spectators and visitors coming to Hampton Court Palace this summer for the Games and Her Majesty's Diamond Jubilee celebrations.

HCRC supporters are profoundly grateful to the Trustees and Directors of Historic Royal Palaces for their extremely generous gesture.

In a statement released by Gladedale today:

"Gladedale have decided to work in partnership with Historic Royal Palaces to improve the appearance of the Jolly Boatman/Hampton Court Railway station site in readiness for the Olympic celebrations and other important events taking place in the summer. Works will include the laying of turf, importing trees and plants and erecting a low level perimeter fence"

HCRC has strongly lobbied Elmbridge Council since February when the HRP offer was originally made and our supporters are warmly thanked for adding their many voices, in helping to achieve this outstanding result.

Thanking you for your continued support.
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PostSubject: Re: new hotel at hampton court means loss of fishing   Tue May 08, 2012 7:55 pm

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PostSubject: Re: new hotel at hampton court means loss of fishing   Tue May 08, 2012 9:10 pm

To make a comment (objection) online, go to:
http://www2.elmbridge.gov.uk/Planet/ispforms.asp?serviceKey=SysDoc-PlanetApplicationEnquiry
Enter the planning reference number: 2012/1625
Press Search
The application comes up
Press Submit Comment
Choose "Object" - this application relates solely to this fence. Mention (perhaps) that whilst you support the development overall, the chain-link fence will mean a loss of this valuable free amenity. Rivers should allow public access and not be fenced off. State that for X many years you have enjoyed free fishing from the banks there.
Question the logic of a fence which allows small wildlife but not larger mammals to gain access.
Foxes, badgers and otters will be unable to pass through this fence.
The visual appearance of a chain link fence like this will be an eyesore.

The original application number is 2008/1600 search for that if you are short of stuff to read. The condition (to which this chain-link fence is the proposed solution) is in the document Decision Notices 17/06/2009 right near the bottom.
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26 Buffer Zone
A Buffer Zone 8 metres wide alongside the River Ember shall be established in accordance with details which shall be submitted and approved in writing by the Local Planning Authority before the development commences.
Reason: To maintain and protect the character of the watercourse and to provide undisturbed refuges for wildlife using the river corridor in recognition of Planning Policy Statement 9: Biodiversity and Geological Conservation.

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PostSubject: Re: new hotel at hampton court means loss of fishing   Tue May 08, 2012 9:37 pm

I'm confused, what part of the river are we going/might lose, I know its part of cigerate island, but what part, can some one draw a map, ie, rail station, carpark, thames, the other river and mark off what part is going/might to be closed off
I have looked at map above cannot make head or tails of it
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PostSubject: Re: new hotel at hampton court means loss of fishing   Tue May 08, 2012 9:54 pm

This is a nightmare - anyone well up on planning issues got any good ideas how to pursue it?
On this page - http://www.elmbridge.gov.uk/planning/policy/othguidance.htm
you will find 1999 Hampton Court Station and Jolly Boatman Brief
Was looking for PPS9 - Biodiversity and Geological sustainability policy (!)
Found this: http://www.elmbridge.gov.uk/planning/policy/corestrategydpd.htm
- core strategy development plan - and in the Elmbridge Core Strategy (adopted July 2011) pdf if you search for "biodiversity" you get to para.4.6
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4.6 The River Thames will be protected through a co-ordinated policy framework which
enhances its landscape and heritage assets and protects its multi functional role for tourism,
recreation and nature conservation. The role of the River Wey Navigation, the River Mole, River
Ember and the River Rythe as nature conservation and recreational assets will be protected
and enhanced. A variety of flood management measures will be implemented, safeguarding
space for water, in order to protect lives and buildings

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PostSubject: Re: new hotel at hampton court means loss of fishing   Tue May 08, 2012 10:09 pm

I think it's something like this, perhaps not quite as bad as it seemed at first?
We should resist all fencing off of access to waters anyhow, its a bad precedent.
Whether the fence carries on where I've marked the dotted line is unclear:

Imagine if you were a medium-sized furry creature, too big to fit through the chain links, the river went in to full flood, and you got trapped between the water and that fence - would that improve biodiversity?

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PostSubject: Re: new hotel at hampton court means loss of fishing   Tue May 08, 2012 10:39 pm

I will guarantee that when the 60 odd flats are built, care home etc, they will not want people wandering past going down to fish the river. We need to do as much as we can to make sure our rights to use Elmbridge open spaces are protected.

As for the fence, spot on Ed. I wonder what endangered or protected species there are along the Mole...
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PostSubject: Re: new hotel at hampton court means loss of fishing   Tue May 08, 2012 10:53 pm

Complete loss of amenity. That fence - there's no need for it and would prevent anglers getting access to some great fishing from that bank. Just no need for it.

And where on earth does this '8 metre buffer away from the river edge idea' come from when there is nothing like that anywhere else on the river up to at least Hurley? There's also nothing like that on the whole of the Ember.









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PostSubject: Re: new hotel at hampton court means loss of fishing   Wed May 09, 2012 1:05 am

This is one of the conditions to satisfy in relation to the full app which is 2008/1600

I think there are many more if anyone has a few hours to go through them, guess though we need to stick with river stuff.

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PostSubject: Re: new hotel at hampton court means loss of fishing   Wed May 09, 2012 6:52 am

got that, thanks for that Ed, I was under the impression, the building site was where the old building was other side of station, next to hampton court bridge, its all making sence now,
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PostSubject: Re: new hotel at hampton court means loss of fishing   Wed May 09, 2012 9:38 am

My guess is, it's come from eg. the Mole where it runs around the playing fields (Neilson rec ground), where there's a kind of "buffer zone" of denser vegetation alongside the river. As always occurs naturally alongside a river! I don't think there's a fence though.
They could achieve the same thing much more bio-naturally by planting a hedge. Yew would be in-character with Hampton Court and provides a good refuge for animals small and large. Coppiced beech. A mixture. If they really hate bloddy angulars that much they could make it hawthorn I suppose! Almost anything is better than a chain-link fence.
Thing is they want to be able to dispatch a team of builders, have it completed in a few days, end of responsibility. Hedges require a more subtle approach and ongoing care until established.

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PostSubject: Re: new hotel at hampton court means loss of fishing   Fri Jul 13, 2012 2:47 am

Another challenge and good on them. The hotel may not be riverside but no doubt have a major affect on Ciggy Island.

http://hamptoncourtrescuecampaign.com/
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PostSubject: Re: new hotel at hampton court means loss of fishing   Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:59 am

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John Barnes, Director of Historic Royal Palaces welcomes the new plans
You kept that one quiet John Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: new hotel at hampton court means loss of fishing   Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:21 am

Ed Randall wrote:
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John Barnes, Director of Historic Royal Palaces welcomes the new plans
You kept that one quiet John Laughing

its not me lol.
i would leave it as it is and put a nice cafe with picnic area there.
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PostSubject: Re: new hotel at hampton court means loss of fishing   Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:08 pm

Im sure it was a cafe once, or am i remembering something else scratch
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PostSubject: Re: new hotel at hampton court means loss of fishing   Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:29 am


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PostSubject: Re: new hotel at hampton court means loss of fishing   Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:31 pm

On the HRC website they have all the planning links to be in favor of changing the site to a green open space, comments open until the end of July. Let's tell them what we think. A hotel or flats etc will be a disaster for that area so am all for these new plans.
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PostSubject: Re: new hotel at hampton court means loss of fishing   Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:33 am

David Harvey wrote:
On the HRC website they have all the planning links to be in favor of changing the site to a green open space, comments open until the end of July. Let's tell them what we think. A hotel or flats etc will be a disaster for that area so am all for these new plans.
Here's a link people: Hampton Court Rescue Campaign

If you fish in Hampton Court, it's going to be well worth your while penning your support.


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PostSubject: Re: new hotel at hampton court means loss of fishing   Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:01 am

i have just done my bit via email so lets hope a few off us on the forum does the same,
even if you do not fish there all the time this needs our support as looks much better without
them ugly flats there unless they want to give me one lol....
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PostSubject: Re: new hotel at hampton court means loss of fishing   Tue Jul 24, 2012 10:17 pm

More info on how to send in a letter about this, from the HCRC people:

Email your comments to Laura Davies, Senior Planning Officer

tplan@elmbridge.gov.uk

IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT ALL CORRESPONDENCE MUST CARRY THE PLANNING REFERENCE NUMBER OR YOUR MESSAGE WILL NOT BE COUNTED

2012/2362

Or, by post to Elmbridge Borough Council, Civic Centre, High Street, Esher, KT10 9SD

You can also use the link below to send your message. Just click the link below to 'EBC Planning Application Search'.

http://www2.elmbridge.gov.uk/Planet/ispforms.asp?serviceKey=SysDoc-PlanetApplicationEnquiry

Key in this Reference Number 2012/2362 to open the correct page, and scroll down to the 'submit comments' box at the base. In due course, your message will be published by EBC there, in ‘view attachments’.

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PostSubject: Re: new hotel at hampton court means loss of fishing   Sun Aug 05, 2012 5:27 pm

The Roberts’ parkland plan given 5 extra days.

Elmbridge Planning Dept has recognised the difficulties with access to its Planning website, and confusion caused over the posting of its site notices. It has agreed to extend the consultation period of Andrew Roberts riverside parkland proposals to Friday, the 10th August.

The EBC site was closed-out on the 30 July, but EBC has allowed a few more days to allow supporters to make their views known. We do not know how many supporters have been deterred by reading the expiry date, but we would urge you now to use this final opportunity by direct email, to ‘have your say’ (see below).

HCRC’s only method of gauging public support is by counting the entries published on the EBC website. Including last Friday’s count, 400 letters of representation had been lodged, but we are confident that many more letters are ‘in house’ awaiting publication. The level of support is extremely encouraging, with only 3 letters opposing the parkland scheme.

Gladedale’s 2008 urban redevelopment plans recorded thousands of responses, so we have a way to go in these last few days. Whilst you might not normally pass on emails, please make an exception for this last push and please forward, Tweet, or Facebook to your neighbours, family, and friends. As this is a National issue, it is NOT required that contributors are ‘local’, so wherever supporters live, their voice will be heard.

As a reminder of the plans, please see our recent short FILM, just click on the link: http://youtu.be/9ebz2dS9D4E

EBC must acknowledge the overwhelming support shown for Andrew Roberts’ landscaping scheme. The weight of representation is a key consideration, and our responses will form part of the Planning Officer’s Report, so every single word will count.


HAVE YOUR SAY

Email your comments directly to: Laura Davies, Senior Planning Officer

tplan@elmbridge.gov.uk

Or post to Elmbridge Borough Council, Civic Centre, and High Street, Esher, KT10 9SD

YOUR COMMENTS MUST CARRY THE PLANNING REFERENCE NUMBER OR YOUR MESSAGE WILL BE DISGARDED

2012/2362


HCRC is very grateful for your perseverance and continued support.

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For info: You can Tweet us @HCRCMary
or visit: hamptoncourtrescuecampaign.com
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PostSubject: Re: new hotel at hampton court means loss of fishing   Thu Aug 30, 2012 7:07 pm

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